There's a few orbs in precarious spots kind of like the old fire that will be tough to defend IF these ideas are implemented properly and I for one think that should be a strategic decision. Hold this void and lower geo by 9% to defend or hold 12 noons in 3x3 and lower geo by 5%.
Thanks for listening.
Statistics:Posted by Therealplagel — Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:07 am
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Personally, I am not going to give you any formulas how to figure it out...
but...
I think a nation at level 100, shouldn't need more than 100 squares/resources outside of it's main, depending on main size and squareness of course.. with 100 squares you should be able to hit your stat caps completely with tons of room left over.
What this also does, is makes nations become picky.... do I select a low resource like an iron? or get a Ship for more stat so I can hit my stat cap sooner and get more bang for my buck with energy resources? Makes sense? It creates more strategy.
At level 50 maybe have only 60 resources outside of it's main, I don't know how or what is reasonable, I just know you shouldn't have 200 resources with 100% geo until you are at least level 200 or more. This goes for squares outside of main nor just resources, as they are just the land the square occupies.
What this does is forces a nation to make choices.... do I want an extra orb? Or so I want an extra resource for energy? That stat cap will make people take just enough for their cap, and then compliment it with energy resources... or if you take my suggestion, Xp res or Hillocks (which would be a good position for plants).
Statistics:Posted by Napoleon — Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:37 pm
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as of now, nations don't try to level up as with a small main they are able to hold loads of res. to make the nations give a thought about leveling and use the rebirth mechanism just make it so that they need to have very big mains to hold res. right now excess area is penalized very lightly.
excess area should be penalized brutally.
why not make the formulae something like
(interior area - (4 * excess area))/(border area + excess area)
just my thoughts mike. rest up to you.
Statistics:Posted by Zero — Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:25 pm
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Level 102, with a main..
I managed to grab 110 resources and made them all 3x3 square
Geo still didnt break, this allowed me to cap for psi tech and bio and also gather ALOT of energy and manpower res,
Now i read your reply and admittedly im not so great with numbers and the maths behind them,
But whichever way you do it, geo should break after say 100 total squares outside of your main, anymore creates pointless hoarding lol
Hope this info helps, cheers
Statistics:Posted by TheRealPP — Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:24 pm
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But i do agree, that with more people around holding so many resources would be difficult. Unless a big dedicated team, i guess we'll have to see.
Statistics:Posted by Sphinx — Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:04 pm
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1) Decrease the supportable area further.
Say we decreased the supportable are per level from its current 15 to 10, then TheAddamsFamily would have:
1220 supportable instead of 1730. 784 excess. 1079-784 / 925 = 32% base geo + 32% from advances = 64% total geo
2) Another change we could make that would make the formula a little more complex, but would more directly penalize border area (squares outside the main), is to multiply the border area by some number:
For example multiply border area by 2:
base geo = (interior_area - excess_area) / (2 * border_area)
Then TheAddamsFamily would have:
1730 supportable. 274 excess. 1079-274/(2 * 925) = 44% + 32% from advances = 76%
Besides making the formula more complex though, this approach would also increase the minimum size of the main that any nation would need to get to 100% geo, from the current 6x6 to 10x10.
We could also go further and multiply border area by 4 in the formula.
base geo = (interior_area - excess_area) / (4 * border_area)
Then TheAddamsFamily would have:
1730 supportable. 274 excess. 1079-274/(4 * 925) = 22% + 32% advances = 54%
But now the minimum main size for 100% geo would be 18x18... I think that's way too big to ask of most nation.
For the sake of keeping the formula simple and of not increasing the minimum main size needed to reach 100% geo, my preference would be to decrease supportable area per level again, from 15 to 10.
It may also make sense to decrease the amounts of geo bonuses available from advances a little bit more.
Also keep in mind that game conditions will be very different once there are more players; it won't be possible to hold any resources with just one square of land anymore. There will be much more competition over them all.
Thoughts?
Statistics:Posted by Mike — Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:49 pm
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These are my ideas on this issue. Any kind of suggestions?
Statistics:Posted by Dre — Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:45 am
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At that point after we flagged em all, it's proven it is absolutely unmanageable.
The Geo to Res/Squares outside of main needs to be adjusted greatly.
The decrease of stat power on Energy and Manpower res and the increase of the resources themselves may help make it unsustainable to get those resources much outside of main. That's a start.
But amassing the other stat res, when it fact you don't actually need them sheds nothing good on anyone.
I know the rebuttals to this, however, look at the flags on the screenshot.... it speaks for itself. A nation should have to make difficult choices when it comes to sustainability and power and shouldn't take more than it needs, and if it does... there needs to be a penalty of some kind which Geo obviously isn't doing.
Statistics:Posted by Napoleon — Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:24 am
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Statistics:Posted by Therealplagel — Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:16 am
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