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I think something that should be done now on the current server is to not let new players join the tournament, or to have their own seperate one. Alexander got hit by one nation because he joined the tournament and moved to the vet area without apparently knowing what that meant.
As for MP, I do like the idea of a cheaper refill but maybe you can buy less or something. Something to combat this perception of pay 2 win since its really not. I do think someone raised the point of new people not understanding the mp burn with res so maybe that deserves more of an explanation in the tutotorial, or a rework like Loki suggested.
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Yup. You need a new server to even have a chance! We are going to keep doing it!
I really don't care what you think of us
New server is not for me. To be honest, I am not interested in even playing anymore.Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:59 pm
Yup. You need a new server to even have a chance! We are going to keep doing it!
I really don't care what you think of us
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You're pathetic.
Yup. You need a new server to even have a chance! We are going to keep doing it! Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:09 pm
Legend in your own mind. Big tough super team wiping a farm.
You're pathetic.
I really don't care what you think of us
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Sky goes on rants alot. He doesn't always tell the facts. He blames us, so we are just going to keep smacking him in the mouth. Nor does he realize how toxic he is too.
Legend in your own mind. Big tough super team wiping a farm. Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:45 pm
Sky goes on rants alot. He doesn't always tell the facts. He blames us, so we are just going to keep smacking him in the mouth
. Nor does he realize how toxic he is too.You're pathetic.
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Sky goes on rants alot. He doesn't always tell the facts. He blames us, so we are just going to keep smacking him in the mouth Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:17 am
I thought it was only one nation that wiped him and not the whole team? Also, there is a visible boundary line between the newbie/veteran areas that mentions that veteran players cannot cross it. I'm not sure if that line only shows for veterans or not though. If it does and he didn't notice it he is partially to blame for being in the veteran zone. Not saying it's completely his fault since the line can be hard to see sometimes and he may not have known he can click on it to read what it was and like I said, I'm sure whatever he did up there didn't need to be punished by being wiped several times by one or more players. Maybe Mike should make the boundary lines more obvious and add a warning about leaving the area so it doesn't happen to anyone else.. Nor does he realize how toxic he is too.Statistics:Posted by Tupac — Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:45 pm
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That is not the point. The point is, this is a toxic gaming community. As long as remains so, the game will struggle.Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:17 am
I thought it was only one nation that wiped him and not the whole team? Also, there is a visible boundary line between the newbie/veteran areas that mentions that veteran players cannot cross it. I'm not sure if that line only shows for veterans or not though. If it does and he didn't notice it he is partially to blame for being in the veteran zone. Not saying it's completely his fault since the line can be hard to see sometimes and he may not have known he can click on it to read what it was and like I said, I'm sure whatever he did up there didn't need to be punished by being wiped several times by one or more players. Maybe Mike should make the boundary lines more obvious and add a warning about leaving the area so it doesn't happen to anyone else.Statistics:Posted by SkyHunter — Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:20 pm
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I am not doing this for them, or for you. I am doing it for the game.
You cannot have a constructive dialogue without informal logic. "We" don't have to do anything. If you don't want talk about your pinhead friends... you don't have to respond to my comments.
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Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:29 pm
He's only level 78. He doesn't have to be anywhere near the upper 1/3 of the map or the area past the snow where it is turning tropical. I'm sure wiping him several times for however he slighted Warmachine wasn't necessary but he has made a conscious decision not to retreat to a safer area when he has the option to.Now you are blaming the victim. You sound like the Republicans in the Senate judiciary. This is also a red herring. How he got there is irrelevant. What the pinheads did to him is the point.
He is the exact profile of the kind of player we want here. He had 2 nations in the midlands in less than 6 days. He plays hard and is happy to pay for games he enjoys. He told me he was forced to keep moving because of how fast he was leveling. Why he went north I don't know. But when he did, pinheads made the game no fun anymore!
I don't understand why this is a thing. You clearly don't care about what they say and they don't care about what you say. Why does every thread have to end up like this? It's counterproductive to be making provocative posts just for the sake of saying you're disobeying them. We're going back and forth for no gain. Like half our posts are talking about fallacies. Can we stop doing this please?Nice way to turn that around. FYI, I don't care about your perception me.
I was run off the server and warned to stay off the forums.
Are you saying I should follow the orders of the pinheads?
I can't play, but I can still help with the community. And I DO want the game to be successful, even though I am not allowed to play.
As to the pinheads, if they want me to stop calling them pinheads, they have to stop acting like pinheads. Last I checked, hell is still blazing hot, so little chance of that happening. In the meantime, I can offer my perspective here, and hope they don't like it.
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It was the way you said it.Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:01 pm
I'm not defending the toxic community nor am I trying to distract from anything with my "fallacy of informal logic". I'm merely stating that pay to win is an issue too. Instead of acknowledging my point, I.E., that 40% were about the toxic community, and pointing out that the majority theme of the negative comments was pay to win, it would not have been taken as a distraction, but an elaboration and highlight of my failure to include them in the topic.Most of the negative reviews I've seen are about the game being pay to win.
Instead, you simply brought up an additional point, as if the original point was moot. That is the definition of a red herring fallacy.
Fallacies of logic are not generally conscious processes. I didn't intend to ignore 60% of the negative comments with my OP, but I did, and I shouldn't have. Maybe you didn't intend to try and defend the toxic community with a fallacy, but you did.
Now you are blaming the victim. You sound like the Republicans in the Senate judiciary. This is also a red herring. How he got there is irrelevant. What the pinheads did to him is the point.Why is he so far from the newbie zone? His nation is basically as far north and east as possible. The whole reason for the zone is exactly so that veteran players cannot attack new players. I'm not going to try to justify anyone's actions, but he willfully left the protected area. He can always move back into the protected area but has chosen not to. Obviously, using a such a large legacy advantage is
He is the exact profile of the kind of player we want here. He had 2 nations in the midlands in less than 6 days. He plays hard and is happy to pay for games he enjoys. He told me he was forced to keep moving because of how fast he was leveling. Why he went north I don't know. But when he did, pinheads made the game no fun anymore!
The veracity of your statement has no bearing on whether not it is a logical fallacy. I am not just throwing out the term. I am also explaining WHY it is a fallacy of informal logic. And I didn't attack you. I simply pointed out that your statement is a logical fallacy. Specifically a red herring fallacy. That you perceived it as an attack is a matter of perception, not reality.Okay, but I still merely stated a fact and then you attacked me for it by throwing out fallacy at every opportunity.
Because the pinheads are the primary topic I care about. I blame them, (not these one specifically but WOC pinheads in general) for the locking down of the old WOC map by a few veteran teams planting orbs, res, and mains and running 365 days a year, as the primary reason the old game died. They are repeating the same mistake here.Why are you throwing out "you pinheads" in a topic where they haven't even posted?
Nice way to turn that around. FYI, I don't care about your perception me.It just makes you look like you're trying to provoke a response which like trolling, you know, toxic? It's literally the entire reason you're still using this forum based on your older posts. If being on a forum just to try to annoy specific players isn't toxic I don't know what is.
I was run off the server and warned to stay off the forums.
Are you saying I should follow the orders of the pinheads?
I can't play, but I can still help with the community. And I DO want the game to be successful, even though I am not allowed to play.
As to the pinheads, if they want me to stop calling them pinheads, they have to stop acting like pinheads. Last I checked, hell is still blazing hot, so little chance of that happening. In the meantime, I can offer my perspective here, and hope they don't like it.
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I'm not defending the toxic community nor am I trying to distract from anything with my "fallacy of informal logic". I'm merely stating that pay to win is an issue too. Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:06 pm
It is a red herring fallacy because it distracts from, instead of addressing the point. I.E., that 40% of the negative reviews cite the toxic community as their reason for quitting the game and leaving a bad review. You are trying to defend the toxic community with a fallacy of informal logic.Why is he so far from the newbie zone? His nation is basically as far north and east as possible. The whole reason for the zone is exactly so that veteran players cannot attack new players. I'm not going to try to justify anyone's actions, but he willfully left the protected area. He can always move back into the protected area but has chosen not to. Obviously, using a such a large legacy advantage isSo why use the legacy advantage to drive off new players?
Reyortsed is a veteran of the Steam community. He has over 10,000 followers. He has spent $10's of thousands of dollars playing games on Steam. In the six days he has been playing, he has been wiped 3 times by WarMachines. He was ready to quit yesterday and post a negative review, which he would share with 10,000 other Steam members. I convinced him to post here first.
Okay, but I still merely stated a fact and then you attacked me for it by throwing out fallacy at every opportunity. Why are you throwing out "you pinheads" in a topic where they haven't even posted? It just makes you look like you're trying to provoke a response which like trolling, you know, toxic? It's literally the entire reason you're still using this forum based on your older posts. If being on a forum just to try to annoy specific players isn't toxic I don't know what is.That is what is known as a strawman fallacy. I don't call everyone who disagrees with me a pinhead. I use the term exclusively to refer to the Tailors and their team. I don't even use the term outside of WOC.I am not in the game, because I had the audacity to retaliate for being wiped while offline. The pinheads won't even let me settle land.I've never wiped or jailed anyone and I don't even know who you are in game and you probably don't know me. I started this game like a month ago. You shouldn't label everyone so hastily
If you are not part of their team, then pinhead does not apply to you.
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https://warofconquest.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=331
Any suggestions you may want to add would be greatly appreciated.
Statistics:Posted by Mike — Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:32 pm
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It is a red herring fallacy because it distracts from, instead of addressing the point. I.E., that 40% of the negative reviews cite the toxic community as their reason for quitting the game and leaving a bad review. You are trying to defend the toxic community with a fallacy of informal logic.Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:19 am
How is it a red herring fallacy? Your topic title is Early Steam Reviews and many of said reviews are about the game being pay to win. I think bringing it up is relevant to the topic. In fact, there are more negative reviews that mention pay to win than what other players are doing to them. A game being pay to win is just as big of a problem as how toxic a community is especially in a game like this that is 100% PvP.So why use the legacy advantage to drive off new players?https://warofconquest.com/forum/viewtop ... p=782#p782
No one can deny that legacy players have a huge advantage but that's because Mike decided at the start of beta that there would be no more wipes. I don't think it was a good decision for the long term health of the game and now we'll just have to see the result of it. A second server would have been nice to have as an alternative to a wipe but there's not enough players to fill one with how big the map being triple the size of beta. There aren't even enough players for the current map size.
Reyortsed is a veteran of the Steam community. He has over 10,000 followers. He has spent $10's of thousands of dollars playing games on Steam. In the six days he has been playing, he has been wiped 3 times by WarMachines. He was ready to quit yesterday and post a negative review, which he would share with 10,000 other Steam members. I convinced him to post here first.
That is what is known as a strawman fallacy. I don't call everyone who disagrees with me a pinhead. I use the term exclusively to refer to the Tailors and their team. I don't even use the term outside of WOC.Calling everyone who doesn't immediately agree with you a pinhead is toxic behavior too..
I am not in the game, because I had the audacity to retaliate for being wiped while offline. The pinheads won't even let me settle land.I've never wiped or jailed anyone and I don't even know who you are in game and you probably don't know me. I started this game like a month ago. You shouldn't label everyone so hastily
If you are not part of their team, then pinhead does not apply to you.
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